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Recently (ish) I learnt that dutch cap and diaphragms are different things, not just a slang term for the proper name. Last year, through [livejournal.com profile] irrrtum, I learnt that foetuses don't live inside the placenta.

This musing brought to you by [livejournal.com profile] nwhyte linking to the European contraception map, and noticing that they don't have information for caps or diaphragms, despite listing all the different kinds of pills, and indeed "lactational amenorrhea method", which has a super graphic: http://www.contraceptioninfo.eu/node/21. (Also fond of the two cycle-montitoring ones which are just a pair of pants.) They list "modern methods", so perhaps it's just that they're considered hopelessly retro nowadays. I have emailed the address on the site to ask, though it's just a general secretariat one so I can't imagine it will be a swift response, if at all.

I was surprised that Iceland was so low, and in fact that the UK, with free access to contraception for everyone, wasn't at the top, though I suppose I'm not very aware of how good/easily accessibly information about contraception is beyond the NHS.

Ah, apparently it's because we have an integrated website, not a standalone website - and although I've read (skimmed) their methodology document, I don't really understand why that's necessarily better. I think the fact you can easily find information about contraception on the general NHS pages is a good thing, rather than segregating it. Oh, and also that you can't get the pill without a prescription, which I would like to think more about because on the one hand its side effects might mean a doctor's knowledge is helpful, but on the other hand that is saying that women (and some others) need permission from a doctor (and the PATRIARCHY, am I right?) to manage their own bodies, and given that minoritised/vulnerable groups of people are more likely to be gatekept from medical needs, perhaps it would be better not to have that. ANYWAY.

Date: 2017-02-15 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
The UK is second, it's not bad going!

I was struck by the text somewhere that notes France has both the highest contraction atlas score and the highest birth rate. Gosh, it's almost like if you make pregnancy something that women get to choose when it is convenient for them, a lot of women will choose to do it at some point.

Date: 2017-02-15 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slemslempike.livejournal.com
Yes, second is good, and in fact much more British to be second. I was clearly swayed by unreasonable patriotic fervour.

Indeed! And also aren't French children notoriously better behaved than British ones? Though apparently that's because they smack them.

Date: 2017-02-15 04:47 pm (UTC)
ext_6283: Brush the wandering hedgehog by the fire (trotula)
From: [identity profile] oursin.livejournal.com
Also, do they not have very good nursery provision? Okay, contraception was actually illegal in France for a long time and people got sent to prison for advocating it, but maybe it's finally 'pronatalism, ur doin it rite'?

Date: 2017-02-15 04:49 pm (UTC)
ext_6283: Brush the wandering hedgehog by the fire (trotula)
From: [identity profile] oursin.livejournal.com
I can probably bore for Europe on female occlusive devices, but will refrain.

Date: 2017-02-15 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slemslempike.livejournal.com
I would like to know if you know why they wouldn't have included thm in this map, if you would care to share? Though also understand if that is Too Much Like (ex-)Work.

The very simple version

Date: 2017-02-15 06:12 pm (UTC)
ext_6283: Brush the wandering hedgehog by the fire (trotula)
From: [identity profile] oursin.livejournal.com
A) I'm pretty sure the general category represents (always has done) a fairly small percentage of contraceptive users overall.*
B) It's also very much not a One Size Fits All method - even the basic Dutch cap has to be carefully fitted, and also there are different kinds of springs which affect fit and how comfortable it is to individual women. Then there are a whole range of other possibilities (or used to be) for the same basic idea, that suit different women.

*Probably for the same reasons that until the 1960s the condom and withdrawal were far more generally used methods: they are fiddly (though not I think quite as fiddly as the mythology suggests), require forethought, should be used with additional chemical spermicides, etc etc. I don't know whether it still applies that women do not like 'putting things inside themselves' - possibly the rise of the tampon changed this?

Date: 2017-02-15 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yiskah.livejournal.com

I actually know someone who worked on this, can ask if you'd like!

Date: 2017-02-15 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slemslempike.livejournal.com
Yes please, I would geuinely like to know! Especially why not diaphragms, but also if they know why a standalone site scores more highly than an integrated one.

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